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		<title>By: Glad2Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glad2Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My viewpoint is that as parents, ultimately what we are doing is preparing our children to live life well. Misbehaving, endangering self or others, or otherwise falling short of the mark - these are teaching moments - opportunities to teach our children the potential negative consequence of their behavior. 

A child runs around with a toy in his mouth - should we teach him that life’s consequence of doing that is a spank? That&#039;s not even an accurate reflection of life. What is the ACTUAL potential negative consequence of running around with a toy in your mouth? Choking on that toy, of course. So I will use this situation as an opportunity to have that discussion with my child (and  don&#039;t underestimate a two year old&#039;s ability to understand that discussion).

I do follow certain rules when teaching, however:

1) I never try to teach when I am tired, hungry, or angry. The lesson won’t be taught well.
2) I never try to teach when the student is tired, hungry, or angry. The lesson will not truly be learned.

As parents, I believe that we have much wisdom to share with our children, but that it must be shared wisely.
.-= Glad2Dad&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Glad2dad/~3/aMAcNteNhQE/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Do You Talk to Your Children About at Dinner&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My viewpoint is that as parents, ultimately what we are doing is preparing our children to live life well. Misbehaving, endangering self or others, or otherwise falling short of the mark &#8211; these are teaching moments &#8211; opportunities to teach our children the potential negative consequence of their behavior. </p>
<p>A child runs around with a toy in his mouth &#8211; should we teach him that life’s consequence of doing that is a spank? That&#8217;s not even an accurate reflection of life. What is the ACTUAL potential negative consequence of running around with a toy in your mouth? Choking on that toy, of course. So I will use this situation as an opportunity to have that discussion with my child (and  don&#8217;t underestimate a two year old&#8217;s ability to understand that discussion).</p>
<p>I do follow certain rules when teaching, however:</p>
<p>1) I never try to teach when I am tired, hungry, or angry. The lesson won’t be taught well.<br />
2) I never try to teach when the student is tired, hungry, or angry. The lesson will not truly be learned.</p>
<p>As parents, I believe that we have much wisdom to share with our children, but that it must be shared wisely.<br />
.-= Glad2Dad&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Glad2dad/~3/aMAcNteNhQE/" rel="nofollow">What Do You Talk to Your Children About at Dinner</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: dadwhowrites</title>
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		<dc:creator>dadwhowrites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m firmly (having been hit with everything imaginable up to the age of 18) anti-spanking or hitting children.  Or anyone hitting anyone, in fact.  Well, with the exception of consenting adults hitting each other, to a point. Or boxers.  

But generally, no hitting of children.  It&#039;s an act of revenge disguised (at best) as love.
.-= dadwhowrites&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://dadwhowrites.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/chickenpox/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chickenpox&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m firmly (having been hit with everything imaginable up to the age of 18) anti-spanking or hitting children.  Or anyone hitting anyone, in fact.  Well, with the exception of consenting adults hitting each other, to a point. Or boxers.  </p>
<p>But generally, no hitting of children.  It&#8217;s an act of revenge disguised (at best) as love.<br />
.-= dadwhowrites&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://dadwhowrites.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/chickenpox/" rel="nofollow">Chickenpox</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those people who wish other parents would spank an unruly child. Now that I have my own son, I also can&#039;t imagine hurting him intentionally.  Though I doubt I&#039;ll be opposed to smacking his hands when he doesn&#039;t obey.  That isn&#039;t really hurting him, merely getting his attention.  I guess my viewpoint will change as he gets older and tests my patience. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those people who wish other parents would spank an unruly child. Now that I have my own son, I also can&#8217;t imagine hurting him intentionally.  Though I doubt I&#8217;ll be opposed to smacking his hands when he doesn&#8217;t obey.  That isn&#8217;t really hurting him, merely getting his attention.  I guess my viewpoint will change as he gets older and tests my patience. <img src='http://www.bloggerdad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short but sweet: spanking is a last resort for me; but, there are occasional times it is it the only thing what will top bad behaviour.  Now, for my teenager: uh uh.
.-= Chris&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NumbNuggets/~3/z8uXpNkDYSo/to-babe-or-not-to-babe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;To Babe or Not to Babe&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short but sweet: spanking is a last resort for me; but, there are occasional times it is it the only thing what will top bad behaviour.  Now, for my teenager: uh uh.<br />
.-= Chris&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NumbNuggets/~3/z8uXpNkDYSo/to-babe-or-not-to-babe.html" rel="nofollow">To Babe or Not to Babe</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: lorchick</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping in mind as well that I am that mom standing in the middle of the mall smiling off into space while I wait for my two year old to finish her temper tantrum on the floor beside me so we can move on.  I don&#039;t consider things misbehaviour unless they are clearly done with motive in mind. Tantrum? That&#039;s her dealing with excessive emotion. Taking a toy? She is being territorial and doesn&#039;t understand yet that when another kid plays with one of her toys it is still hers. Making eye contact with me and smiling a naughty smile while she throws something after the final warning? That is misbehaviour.
.-= lorchick&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://onthelaundryline.blogspot.com/2009/07/break.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;break&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping in mind as well that I am that mom standing in the middle of the mall smiling off into space while I wait for my two year old to finish her temper tantrum on the floor beside me so we can move on.  I don&#8217;t consider things misbehaviour unless they are clearly done with motive in mind. Tantrum? That&#8217;s her dealing with excessive emotion. Taking a toy? She is being territorial and doesn&#8217;t understand yet that when another kid plays with one of her toys it is still hers. Making eye contact with me and smiling a naughty smile while she throws something after the final warning? That is misbehaviour.<br />
.-= lorchick&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://onthelaundryline.blogspot.com/2009/07/break.html" rel="nofollow">break</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: lorchick</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a very personal thing. I&#039;ve read good arguments for and against. Since you went through the &#039;against&#039; here are some good &#039;for&#039;s that i have heard:
1) &quot;I would rather spank my child in love than have a police officer discipline them without love years down the road.&quot; (this might sound dramatic, but considering my DH and I are taking bets on when the five year old next door winds up in jail, maybe not so much.)

2) &quot;When your toddler is naughty and you swat their bottom and are done with it, they realize they have done something wrong, there were consequences, and it is over and move on.  If instead you are berating your child, the tendancy, especially if they are not listening or showing remorse, can be to belittle them (you are being such a brat, you never listen, etc etc etc.) This, in the long term, causes much more psychological damage than a swat on the bottom ever could.&quot;

I think every child is different. When my DD was first in the walking stage, simply sitting her down and telling her no would make her burst into remorseful tears. Now that she is two, time outs work for her to an extent. But honestly, if I swat her on the bum and tell her no or if I put her in her room or in the timeout corner, there are a lot more broken sobs involved in the timeout. I do try and use spanking as the last resort and only as punishment for things she has done that I feel could put her in danger, or if she is being deliberatly hurtful to others.  In most cases she can be reasoned or compromised with. But I will spank her before I give her a time out, because for her personally at this age and stage and as this unique individual, she reacts to timeouts as if they are a traumatic and horrifying thing, and spankings as if they are simple punishment. 

Also, though, I will never spank her if I am angry. And my husband never spanks, either, because he is bigger and stronger. And after she&#039;s had a spanking and a moment to calm down we talk about it all and end with hugs.  A spanking isn&#039;t a grand whupping, it&#039;s one or two swats on the bum after she&#039;s been informed that if she doesn&#039;t stop then that will be the consequence. And I will not spank outside of the toddler years, either. When she is at a level that we can discuss action and reaction then there will be appropriate consequences for those ages and stages.
.-= lorchick&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://onthelaundryline.blogspot.com/2009/07/break.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;break&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a very personal thing. I&#8217;ve read good arguments for and against. Since you went through the &#8216;against&#8217; here are some good &#8216;for&#8217;s that i have heard:<br />
1) &#8220;I would rather spank my child in love than have a police officer discipline them without love years down the road.&#8221; (this might sound dramatic, but considering my DH and I are taking bets on when the five year old next door winds up in jail, maybe not so much.)</p>
<p>2) &#8220;When your toddler is naughty and you swat their bottom and are done with it, they realize they have done something wrong, there were consequences, and it is over and move on.  If instead you are berating your child, the tendancy, especially if they are not listening or showing remorse, can be to belittle them (you are being such a brat, you never listen, etc etc etc.) This, in the long term, causes much more psychological damage than a swat on the bottom ever could.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think every child is different. When my DD was first in the walking stage, simply sitting her down and telling her no would make her burst into remorseful tears. Now that she is two, time outs work for her to an extent. But honestly, if I swat her on the bum and tell her no or if I put her in her room or in the timeout corner, there are a lot more broken sobs involved in the timeout. I do try and use spanking as the last resort and only as punishment for things she has done that I feel could put her in danger, or if she is being deliberatly hurtful to others.  In most cases she can be reasoned or compromised with. But I will spank her before I give her a time out, because for her personally at this age and stage and as this unique individual, she reacts to timeouts as if they are a traumatic and horrifying thing, and spankings as if they are simple punishment. </p>
<p>Also, though, I will never spank her if I am angry. And my husband never spanks, either, because he is bigger and stronger. And after she&#8217;s had a spanking and a moment to calm down we talk about it all and end with hugs.  A spanking isn&#8217;t a grand whupping, it&#8217;s one or two swats on the bum after she&#8217;s been informed that if she doesn&#8217;t stop then that will be the consequence. And I will not spank outside of the toddler years, either. When she is at a level that we can discuss action and reaction then there will be appropriate consequences for those ages and stages.<br />
.-= lorchick&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://onthelaundryline.blogspot.com/2009/07/break.html" rel="nofollow">break</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: kblogger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is never a good reason to spank.  Never. 
If you have feelings to act violently/physically against your child, you have to recognize that  as an adult you have the ability (unlike your impulsive child who is acting out simply because they don&#039;t have enough life experience to do any differently) to step back, regroup, approach with a different response.  And you must do that. Hitting your child is impulsive, immature, and only promotes the impulsive &amp; uncontrolled behaviors in your child that you&#039;re trying to stop! Children act as they are acted upon.  
Violence only begets violence.  Spanking only encourages a child to solve problems with might, not with brains.  Children lose trust in you as a parent because instead of even-keeled parenting, they see you as not being able to contol yourself when things get difficult. 

Its a lose-lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is never a good reason to spank.  Never.<br />
If you have feelings to act violently/physically against your child, you have to recognize that  as an adult you have the ability (unlike your impulsive child who is acting out simply because they don&#8217;t have enough life experience to do any differently) to step back, regroup, approach with a different response.  And you must do that. Hitting your child is impulsive, immature, and only promotes the impulsive &amp; uncontrolled behaviors in your child that you&#8217;re trying to stop! Children act as they are acted upon.<br />
Violence only begets violence.  Spanking only encourages a child to solve problems with might, not with brains.  Children lose trust in you as a parent because instead of even-keeled parenting, they see you as not being able to contol yourself when things get difficult. </p>
<p>Its a lose-lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Writer Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB: If your nieces and nephews love time out then they need a different consequence. The key is in finding your child&#039;s currency and using it to orchestrate the proper behavior. There are plenty of punishments you can give that would make a child think twice before they do something again, but a physical response isn&#039;t necessary. I&#039;m not saying it can&#039;t be useful, but I can&#039;t imagine it is ever a worthy first choice and there are always alternatives that would work just as well if not better.

Dave: Loved your drug rant. Couldn&#039;t agree more.
.-= Writer Dad&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://writerdad.com/fatherhood/the-apple-and-the-tree/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Apple and the Tree&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB: If your nieces and nephews love time out then they need a different consequence. The key is in finding your child&#8217;s currency and using it to orchestrate the proper behavior. There are plenty of punishments you can give that would make a child think twice before they do something again, but a physical response isn&#8217;t necessary. I&#8217;m not saying it can&#8217;t be useful, but I can&#8217;t imagine it is ever a worthy first choice and there are always alternatives that would work just as well if not better.</p>
<p>Dave: Loved your drug rant. Couldn&#8217;t agree more.<br />
.-= Writer Dad&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://writerdad.com/fatherhood/the-apple-and-the-tree/" rel="nofollow">The Apple and the Tree</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had thoughts of spanking my children a few times over the past years, but I&#039;ve also thought about robbing a bank and doing a million other things that may be counterproductive.

I can say every time I thought of spanking my children, I was also angry or upset because my kids weren&#039;t doing what I wanted them to do.

I can imagine if I did spank my children when I was feeling angry, that I&#039;d be teaching my kids - anger + bigger = control &amp; domination.

I&#039;m convinced that our children learn from their environment and absorb everything we teach them.
.-= Jason&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://freetobeparents.com/?p=245&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From Attachment to Abundance&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had thoughts of spanking my children a few times over the past years, but I&#8217;ve also thought about robbing a bank and doing a million other things that may be counterproductive.</p>
<p>I can say every time I thought of spanking my children, I was also angry or upset because my kids weren&#8217;t doing what I wanted them to do.</p>
<p>I can imagine if I did spank my children when I was feeling angry, that I&#8217;d be teaching my kids &#8211; anger + bigger = control &amp; domination.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that our children learn from their environment and absorb everything we teach them.<br />
.-= Jason&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://freetobeparents.com/?p=245" rel="nofollow">From Attachment to Abundance</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel I&#039;m in the minority on this one as well, but like a few or the other commenter&#039;s, I believe in spanking. However, I take a bit of a tiered approach. I have found that the &#039;if&#039; list does indeed work wonders, but sometimes things just need escalated.

Also we don&#039;t give our kids enough credit for being smart. I think that even at less than a year old, kids aren&#039;t &quot;too young&quot; to know what&#039;s going on. They are fully aware of their actions and outcomes of certain actions. Now I wouldn&#039;t spank a child that young, but they understand what&#039;s happening, just don&#039;t have a sophisticated way of communicating their thoughts.

The last point I would like to make is there are tons of ways to damage the unspoken covenant with your child besides spanking, it&#039;s all in the delivery. My goal is to cause a little discomfort for the child, no matter what form the discipline may take (time-out, spanking, taking a toy, etc.). However, do so in love, and a very clear, concise, and very consistant manner. Any discipline, when done with the wrong spirit, or inconsistantly will damage that covenant.
.-= Scott&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://simplefather.com/2009/07/29/standing-your-own&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Standing On Your Own&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel I&#8217;m in the minority on this one as well, but like a few or the other commenter&#8217;s, I believe in spanking. However, I take a bit of a tiered approach. I have found that the &#8216;if&#8217; list does indeed work wonders, but sometimes things just need escalated.</p>
<p>Also we don&#8217;t give our kids enough credit for being smart. I think that even at less than a year old, kids aren&#8217;t &#8220;too young&#8221; to know what&#8217;s going on. They are fully aware of their actions and outcomes of certain actions. Now I wouldn&#8217;t spank a child that young, but they understand what&#8217;s happening, just don&#8217;t have a sophisticated way of communicating their thoughts.</p>
<p>The last point I would like to make is there are tons of ways to damage the unspoken covenant with your child besides spanking, it&#8217;s all in the delivery. My goal is to cause a little discomfort for the child, no matter what form the discipline may take (time-out, spanking, taking a toy, etc.). However, do so in love, and a very clear, concise, and very consistant manner. Any discipline, when done with the wrong spirit, or inconsistantly will damage that covenant.<br />
.-= Scott&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://simplefather.com/2009/07/29/standing-your-own" rel="nofollow">Standing On Your Own</a> =-.</p>
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